ok i started another thread and every one jumped on me because i was trying to take the theory of evolution out of the mix and most here seem to believe in it so i will just say it.
the theory of major evolution is crap!
the theory is falling apart.
The evolution of the eye began underwater with a light sensitive patch of skin. Something that could easily have come about by mutation. Tha flight sensitive patch of skin would he a HUGE advantage over its competitors and would catch on quickly.
And don't forget! Just because your understanding of evolution is poor, and our understanding and proof of it will yet grow more, does not mean god did it.
Your assertion that any of it involves intelligence is yet another flaw.
ok i started another thread and every one jumped on me because i was trying to take the theory of evolution out of the mix and most here seem to believe in it so i will just say it.
the theory of major evolution is crap!
the theory is falling apart.
Crazy guy, all you have done on this thread s far is make ridiculous assertions, which we systematically pick apart and destroy. Then you pop up here and there without reading any of the sts and say we still haven't proven you wrong. This is getting old.
Your understanding of nature is FLAWED. Get through that, or there's no point.
A creature does not try to create anything at all. It just wants to survive, thrive and make babies that will survive and thrive. That is all.
A creature's understanding is meaningless. An animal does not understand that it can see. That doesn't stop it from seeing does it? The evolution of the eye is well documented and explained, if you care to look for it.
Light/darkness has nothing to do with evolution.... You're looking for a study in physics.
This theory is not falling apart, but your argument against it certainly is. Your point about computer code... While occasionally DNA is likened to a computer because of the information it stores, it still is not one. Computer code has nothing to do with what were talking about.
If you don't understand the Cambrian explosion, then perhaps you would like to read up on it. I am not knowledgeable enough to help you there. Still, though, that does not make it true.
Your male/female augment again is easily explained. This is getting frustrating. A book will do a better job of explaining than I can. Flowers that require bees to pollen ate... Evolved that way. They of course didn't always need bees, their relationship with bees is yet more evidence of evolution. They didn't spring up hoping bees were nearby, and bees knew what to do.
Your point about an animal understanding light and creating eyes being ridiculous is right. That is ridiculous. An animal DOES NOT CREATE ITS EYES! You and I would benefit greatly from another arm and hand. We know that. However try as we might, we won't be able to grow one. As I mentioned above, the evolution of the eye is well documented.
Somthere you have it. Every point in your silly OP. If this is an issue that you are truly interested in, then I suggest you pick up a book or two. Dawkins' books are well worth a read. Start with The Magic of Reality, then follow it up with The Blind Watchmaker. Regardless of what you think of the man, his eloquent writing style makes it easy to understand even for simple Fundies like yourself.
a great point was made by neverknew on another thread about certain doctrinal issues will cause a 'thinker' to wake up, but a 'feeler' will just shrug and carry on.
the feeler jw is often not stupid, but intellectually lazy.
they will often not bother to do research, whatever is said from the platform is fine.
Thanks! It's nice to hear from a feeler's perspective. I have been trying to get her distracted, I think that helps. She way never that deeply in, never did research. She is still not interested in doing research though. She just doesn't care. She's brainwashed, that's it.
For the last year and a half she has been doing shift work, which keeps her from at least half the meetings. It also gives he something other than service to do, as she wasn't working before that. She has been making friends at work, but still isn't interested in having them over for a BBQ or anything like that. Since I quit FS she has slowed down a lot. She doesn't like going to the Saturday group because I don't go and it's all families and couples.. She doesn't want to get questions about me. She is just as interested in keeping my situation a secret as I am, as she doesn't want to see me DFed. If I get DFed, suddenly it all becomes REAL, where so far it has just been a secret.
Tell me what you think of this: I could compile a small list of WT references where they quote mine or outright lie, along with references to where the quote was mined from, or where the truth would be explained. Would that help or hurt a feeler? I would think seeing lies would affect her.
It's just strange how it doesn't matter how much I tell her about the problems with the WT, it's just in one ear and out the other. The next time we talk its like its news all over again. I've been trying to create some Cog Dis in her, but it doesn't seem to be taking. Tough nut to crack!
a great point was made by neverknew on another thread about certain doctrinal issues will cause a 'thinker' to wake up, but a 'feeler' will just shrug and carry on.
the feeler jw is often not stupid, but intellectually lazy.
they will often not bother to do research, whatever is said from the platform is fine.
Thanks! It's nice to hear from a feeler's perspective. I have been trying to get her distracted, I think that helps. She way never that deeply in, never did research. She is still not interested in doing research though. She just doesn't care. She's brainwashed, that's it.
For the last year and a half she has been doing shift work, which keeps her from at least half the meetings. It also gives he something other than service to do, as she wasn't working before that. She has been making friends at work, but still isn't interested in having them over for a BBQ or anything like that. Since I quit FS she has slowed down a lot. She doesn't like going to the Saturday group because I don't go and it's all families and couples.. She doesn't want to get questions about me. She is just as interested in keeping my situation a secret as I am, as she doesn't want to see me DFed. If I get DFed, suddenly it all becomes REAL, where so far it has just been a secret.
Tell me what you think of this: I could compile a small list of WT references where they quote mine or outright lie, along with references to where the quote was mined from, or where the truth would be explained. Would that help or hurt a feeler? I would think seeing lies would affect her.
It's just strange how it doesn't matter how much I tell her about the problems with the WT, it's just in one ear and out the other. The next time we talk its like its news all over again. I've been trying to create some Cog Dis in her, but it doesn't seem to be taking. Tough nut to crack!
if you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.
this is a game changer.
the bomb!.
Your world view is based on superstitious hearsay, old wives tales. Cofty says 'Evolution is a muddy water magic fact because HE/YOU simply believe it.' You say, 'Abiogenesis is a muddy water magic fact simply because YOU/HE believe it.'
This is what I was getting at. It's not superstitious hearsay, it's FACT. Beliefs are not a factor. If you believe the earth is flat, you are welcome the have that belief as long as you don't push it on others and try to have it taught in school. Your beliefs don't change the facts that the earth is round.
Evolution is not a belief system. It is a theory based on facts. Facts which are proven despite being disprovable. Beliefs are not required, only a consideration of the facts.
This new book of old recycled arguments has you acting like you have the 'inside scoop' as it were, and we're all ancient for still believing those silly scientists. Woohoo! We bible thumpers were right all along! Yayyy! Like this clown suddenly has shattered 150 years of research simply by compiling the same old ignorant arguments which have been systematically refuted again and again.
in the movie annie hall, written by woody allen, as a young boy, alvy's mother, takes him to see a doctor as he appears to be dealing with some kind of depression.
when the doctor asks alvy what's up, alvy explains that he just found out the universe is expanding, everything will spread out and go cold and die, therefore nothing he does matters, so he is not going to do anything anymore.
most people might see this as a joke, but i think woody is trying to make a serious point.. the point here is about meaning.
Well said Billy!
ok i started another thread and every one jumped on me because i was trying to take the theory of evolution out of the mix and most here seem to believe in it so i will just say it.
the theory of major evolution is crap!
the theory is falling apart.
A good example of Macro Evolution in your lifetime would be new viruses popping up. No, they're not a sign of the last days, they're a product of evolution. Bacteria have such a short lifespan that their evolution happens very quickly. We make medicines and treatments for these viruses, and they evolve resistance to these viruses. This is quite scary, but a product of evolution.
ok i started another thread and every one jumped on me because i was trying to take the theory of evolution out of the mix and most here seem to believe in it so i will just say it.
the theory of major evolution is crap!
the theory is falling apart.
Here again you demonstrate your lack of understanding. A tiger mating with another cat, etc..... Again that's not how it works! If it were, then of course you silly creationists could be looking for Fronkeys and Crocoducks. Unfortunately that's just not how it works. Why would that have to be a crucial component to evolution?
Every creature carries DNA. DNA can mutate. If that mutation, however small benefits that creature in its present situation and surroundings, then it's more likely that he will get the opportunity to mate and have offspring. His offspring will be more likely to carry that mutation. Fast forward a few hundred generations. Assuming their situation (ecosystem, food, temperature, etc) hasn't changed, the majority of these creatures are more likely to carry this mutation. Sometimes these mutations and their specific carriers will pass on other traits too. These will be carried along. This is continually happening. You accept this, yes? It's is micro evolution. "Major" evolution as you call it is known as Macro Evolution, or Speciation. Speciation simply occurs when enough of these changes has happened to render the creature to be of another species. It may not even be recognizable. It's gene pool may be too far separated from its ancestors to even successfully mate! As all creatures are evolving together at their own pace, this is even more likely.
If you were to look at a tiger's history, it would likely share ancestors with many other cats. The cats in between the ancestor and the tiger may look exactly like that ancestor cat, or may look more like a tiger. The end goal was not the tiger, but a cat better suited to its environment. We just happen to call it a tiger, and it happens to live at the same time as we do. It's ancestors may have been called something different if it were to be alive today. Does that make sense?
Speciation occurs when a species has changed enough from its previous form that it is recognizably different. You cannot.. CANNOT have micro evolution without macro evolution. If you accept one, you have to accept the other. Just because you don't see it in front of your eyes doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You just don't happen to live long enough to see most species change like that. The fossil record documents this well with some species.
Pall of the points you have brought up have been poor. They are all easily explained. Your ignorance is frustrating, but if you are willing to have an open mind many of us are willing to continue this debate. Go ahead and comb your favourite creationist books (no WT please, they are just stupid) and bring out your best arguments. Many will hurl insults at you because your ignorance is frustrating, but remember we all once believed this crap as good little Dubbies too. Your demeanour could change a bit, too though.
I hope that answers some of your questions. If not, please draw out what doesn't make sense and we will try to explain better. It would be easier for you to go read a damn book, but that doesn't seem likely.
in the movie annie hall, written by woody allen, as a young boy, alvy's mother, takes him to see a doctor as he appears to be dealing with some kind of depression.
when the doctor asks alvy what's up, alvy explains that he just found out the universe is expanding, everything will spread out and go cold and die, therefore nothing he does matters, so he is not going to do anything anymore.
most people might see this as a joke, but i think woody is trying to make a serious point.. the point here is about meaning.
Laika you have your debate, just as you wished. The problem is your premise is flawed. I will not attack you or a straw man. I will attack your halfway thought out statements.
As has been mentioned here several times already, an Atheist's life has whatever meaning he or she makes it to have. If I want to spend my life collecting smurf dolls, I can do so. If I want to spend it feeding hungry people on the other side of the world, I can. Do you know why? It's because I've never even wondered if I can do something that can affect the universe. I don't care! Why should I? Can you, the believer do something that can have an effect on th universe? No. As I said before, even if there is a creator, what can you do for him? Listen to his chosen men who interpret his riddle book? Even if you could talk to god directly and everyday he had instructions for you. You followed those to a tee EVERY day of your life. You still haven't done anything to affect the universe. I don't know why you keep talking about that... Am I missing something?
I can add something to your flawed world view, it may help. A "good" Atheist's goals in life should and will likely be BETTERMENT. Be that betterment of himself, betterment of his family, betterment of humanity.. Whatever. He is not trying to please a sky daddy who won't return his calls, or waiting for him to solve man's problems.
You must agree that today, man's situation is better than ever. There's significantly less crime, less violence, less wars, we have ways to fight disease... The list goes on. While we to have new challenges to face, we are more prepared to take them on than ever. List today's great thinkers. The men and women who are working to cure diseases, help solve hunger, and making the decisions that will determine humanity's near and distant future. If you were to ask each person on that list about their beliefs, you WOULD find that the great majority of them are Atheists. That's not Satans work, that's being informed winning over ignorance. Hopefully every generation after this one is a little bit less religious, and more reasonable.
during the years when i was an active jw i never questioned the ban on blood transfusion.
i have been inactive now for a number of years and even during those early years i reasoned i will never accept a blood transfusion.
however, thinking about it with an open mind, i question the current teaching of jw's on banning blood transfusion on any account even if it means saving a life.
However, thinking about it with an open mind, I question the current teaching of JW's on banning blood transfusion on any account even if it means saving a life.
There you go! Keep going with this reasoning. Use that open mind to figure out whether a worldwide flood actually happened 4600 years ago.
